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Headquarters Marine Corps

Marine Corps not changing male dress cover

By Cpl. Chelsea Flowers Anderson | Headquarters Marine Corps | October 25, 2013

FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, Md. --

Recent headlines in the media have created confusion regarding a Marine Corps uniform item, the male dress cover. Some in the media have implied that the President of the United States directed a change in this dress cover. 

Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. James F. Amos said, “the President in no way, shape or form directed the Marine Corps to change our uniform cover.”

While the Marine Corps Uniform Board is currently looking for a new cover, or cap, for female Marines because the current manufacturer is going out of business, there is no intent to change the current male Marine dress cover.
A survey released by the Marine Corps Uniform Board eliciting input from Marines in regard to uniform items, sought opinions about the “Dan Daly-style” cover. 

Pictures of male Marines wearing this cover were included in the survey material.  This is standard practice while conducting surveys. For instance, when the Marine Corps transitioned to the current MARPAT camouflage design several years ago, surveys included a number of proposed cami-patterns and additional uniform options.  
  
“The surveys often contain photo illustrations that portray what a uniform article might look like when worn by a Marine,” Col. Todd S. Desgrosseilliers, Marine Corps Uniform Board president, said. “This is a very standard practice. While there was never any desire or intent to change the male Marine dress cover, the feedback we have received to maintain this iconic cover has been heard, loud and clear. "
 
Surveys conducted by the Uniform Board serve to inform the commandant, who has the final say on all changes to the Marine Corps uniform.



73 Comments


  • Barbara Gould 235 days ago
    My late husband was a Sgt. in the Corps,and my Nephew is a retired Lt.Colonel. MY second date with my furture husband was to the Marine Corps Ball,1965. Saw Bill in his dress blues ,I was a goner!
    Pox on anyone who wants to change the cover or the tunic. I really don`t care what the women wear,but don`t change the male uniforms.
  • Larry 246 days ago
    My father was a Marine during the Korean War and I had an uncle in the Navy during WWII. I'm sure all the sailors loved the idea when the Navy got rid of that stupid "Donald Duck" dress cover. And I don't see much difference in the USMC dress uniforms since WWII. (Except material, I don't think they are wool anymore, and my father crapped a brick the first time he saw a Marine with short sleeves and no tie!) Just one other talking point if anyone wants to sound off on: Although the sleeve length and tie may be a bit much, one point my father said was the wearing of "utilities" out in the public. Does anyone else feel that, unless our service men and women are on a work detail, in the field, etc, doesn't the public get much more of a "professional" persona with a dress blouse and trousers rather than dungarees?
  • Larry 247 days ago
    I come from a Marine Corps oriented family. However, in 1975 I tried one of 3 times to join the Marines but was denied due to "flat feet". (I probably have the flattest feet you ever seen, I even took a recruiters suggestion and had X-rays done, and if an arch could be shown, "argued", etc, but no soap) I did what any "flatfoot" could do, become a Police Officer! My point is this, the USMC was absolutely correct in not accepting me. Running the 1.5 miles in a Police Academy is child's play for a Marine, (I know my son is a Marine). Uniforms may change and "adapt", but when we "lower the standard" for who fights in combat for the sake of political correctness, our nation, liberties, and freedom are in peril. I hope politicians keep their stinking hands off our fighting forces in an attempt to eliminate the "balls", (pardon my French), needed to be on the front line.
  • Ed 271 days ago
    Nice attempt at "cover" up (pun intended)!
  • Ed Seagraves 273 days ago
    Thanks to General Amos for ending the idea of adopting a "girly" cover for Marines. Today's cover and tomorrow's cover should look like my 57 year old cover!

    Ed Seagraves
    Cpl(E3) 1625855
  • GySgt Horton, P.J. 274 days ago
    I can't help but sit back and read some of the comments left on here. Everyone is screaming "Tradition." I pretty sure in SgtMaj Dan Daly's time it was the same thing. I'm pretty sure they said "Don't change the cover and the uniforms." But as time went by things have changed. Some for the better and some were worse. But what is one of our traditions are our uniforms that we have had. Every Marine Corps Birthday there is always a uniform display or pageant showing where we have come from to where we are at today. I personally don’t want to see the male cover change. But I do like the cover for female Marines, but like most things it’s going to come down to a vote. We all know what happens if we don’t vote. If you didn’t vote, then you don’t have the right to complain, because as Marines we follow orders. If you want to complain than do it right with a point paper or discussion paper thought your chain of command. There are so many voices around the Marine Corps but they are never heard because they’re all around the scuttlebutt.
  • Retired GySgt 274 days ago
    I am grateful that they did not do this! Thank you Gen Amos!
    Semper Fi!
  • Semper-fi 274 days ago
    I was one of the Marines that received a voting package. I find it funny that they used the same female Sgt to model both covers, but then they opted to have a slightly overweight LCpl model the Dana Daly cover and a stacked, fit GySgt model the traditional cover.

    Yeah...no biasness from the Marine Corps...

    I would bet my money that some high ranked Marine that opposed the boards consideration of the Dan Daly cover leaked the voting to the press....
  • William F Weidow III 275 days ago
    If there was ".... never any desire or intent to change the male Marine dress cover" then why the illustration and survey in the first place? It would be unfortunate if there was some " influence" behind this joke.

    Retired Marine
  • Gray 275 days ago
    If the Corps must reduce its overall size, show the door to any Marine not capable of going into combat as a member of a Marine Corps infantry unit. That will immediately eliminate at least 10% of the Corps total strength, while at the same time doing away with any ridiculous idea of a "unisex" cover.
  • Any 275 days ago
    Per the survey conducted recently Marines were lead to believe otherwise that the cover was being considered for both male and female Marines alike.
  • M Hyman: Editor, Silent Sentinel, Submarine Veterans of San Diego 275 days ago
    There are plenty of us still around who were on active duty during the Vietnam era when the DOD decided to modify the Navy Enlisted Dress Blue uniform. I assure you that not one of the geniuses who changed us from the traditional jumper and 13 button bell bottom pants to a blazer had ever gone to sea, less gone on a West Pac--nor had they even the slightest clue concerning what the blazer looks—not to mention, smells— like after being crammed into a miniscule personal locker for months onboard a submarine (frankly, I'd be surprised if even one of these decision makers had ever served anywhere other than behind a desk nor if he could distinguish port from starboard--in those days, there really was not a "she" in the picture). Back then, there were the continuous flow of denials concerning the reality of the uniform change—as now—with assurances from all—as now—that a modification such as this would never occur. And then, what everyone said would not happen, did. For all concerned—and especially for the sake of our USMC friends— may we not have a repeat of history!
  • John Taylor 275 days ago
    Thank you General Amos
  • Chris 276 days ago
    Why do I feel like this article that HQMC posted about the whole thing being a "rumor" and that the president never had anything to do with it is BS....
  • philip R. Nicholson (Former SGT, USMC) 276 days ago
    I would like to personnaly thank the commandant for showing exceptional leadership in his decision concerning the Dan Dailey.Semper Fi.
  • usmc 66-70 james lamar 276 days ago
    leave the cover alone!!!!
  • mtnbikertx61 276 days ago
    Why not have the company that makes the male cover make the female one. seems like a no brainer.
  • Matt 276 days ago
    This article is misleading. We were given a survey and voted on the implementation of the Dan Daly cover for males. Why would the Marine Corps solicit our vote if they had no intent on changing it This article leads the reader to believe that we did not vote on changing the male cover, when we did.
  • Constance 276 days ago
    D'aww...are the poor boys insecure about how they look?
  • LCpl R H POLY 58-61 276 days ago
    Who is the one who gave the info out in the first place? Robert H Poly 4955 Lindell Rd Apt 227 Las Vegas NV 89118 rhpoly22@hotmail.com
  • cpl. robert hughes 1954995 276 days ago
    Thank you general Amos for staying with tradition.
  • msgt r e lagle 276 days ago
    the Marines don't wear that uniforms all they think about is the sloppy looking cameys
    lets get them back inti dress uniforms first
  • amcampao 276 days ago
    someone should inform the main stream media and cable news channels of this as they are continuing to report possible change of covers for both male and female marines.
  • Mike Prikril 276 days ago
    Tradition, tradition, tradition.
    Dont fix something thats not broke.
  • david a norton 276 days ago
    Marines NOT changing male dress cover.
  • Winona Cotter 276 days ago
    Whew! That's a relief! It would've been a dishonor to the male Marines. Tradition should be followed; there should be no change, to the male Marines OR the female Marines.
  • Scribd 276 days ago
    "For instance, when the Marine Corps transitioned to the current MARPAT camouflage design several years ago, surveys included a number of proposed cami-patterns and additional uniform options."

    Marines voted against MARPAT in 2001, and what did we get MARPAT. So much for surveys!

    The moral of the story Marines, get ready for a new cover in the future!

    Marine Attitudes Toward Various Components of New Utility General Items
    (based on WEBSITE SURVEY data from 24,696 Marines)
    Scale: 0 = dislike extremely; 5= indifferent; 10 = like extremely
    Camouflage:
    Tiger Stripe 6.1*
    Marine Pattern 5.7
  • Winona Cotter 276 days ago
    Whew!! Well, that's a relief!
  • Don miller 276 days ago
    Why would anyone ever even give a thought about changing the greatest military uniform in the world is rediculous.
  • john a. hinds 276 days ago
    The Marines are too importnt to waste their time on this.
  • Robert Applegarth, SGT., USMC 276 days ago
    Thank you for your post that the Marine Corps will not be adopting a unisex Class A Uniform Cover for Marines. From my limited feedback, I also heard, "...loud and clear." that there is absolutely no reason to change what is our tradition. Thank you to both Commandant General Amos and Colonel Desgrosseilliers. Outstanding, Sirs.
  • Robert Applegarth, SGT., USMC 277 days ago
    Thank you so much for this article confirming the fact that our Class A Dress Covers will remain the same for both Marines and Women Marines. The outrage I heard was also "...loud and clear.". Another outstanding decision! Thank you, Sir.
  • Adam Hoover 277 days ago
    This is false. The survey in question mentions adopting either the male dress cover for female Marines OR adopting the Dan Daly style cover for ALL Marines. Thus, there is potentially the intention of changing the male dress uniform cover.
  • John Taylor 277 days ago
    Marines always wait for confirmation from their leaders before assuming a conclusion. Thank you, General Amos for ensuring that all the comments that was written on the subject was without malice.
  • CWO2 Farmer 277 days ago
    It is great to know our male cover will stay the same. I do not like the "Dan Daily" style cover.
  • Dan Hanke CPL '74-'78 277 days ago
    It's official the Commandant has denied it so it will become official within a couple of years!
    I'm glad I'm out, but I'm sad my son is still in. 2 more years and after 8 years he'll be out. It won't come to soon.
  • Johnny 277 days ago
    Best looking uniform of any Service in any country. Semper Fi!
  • Lt. Col. Davis 277 days ago
    I am glad to see that the Marine Corps remains the organization I joined and retired from. Change is not always good.

    John Davis
  • Robin Ball 277 days ago
    Just because the current manufacturer is going out of business doesn't mean some other manufacturer can't make the same style.
  • Herb Richards 277 days ago
    Serving in the Corp many years ago. I'm sure glade to hear that the male dress cover will not be changed.
  • GySgt 277 days ago
    Whew!
  • Danielle 277 days ago
    Nicely articulated. Thank you, Corporal. I'll keep this link and send it along to as many news sources as possible.
  • James P Mieuli 277 days ago
    USMC reservist 1962-1968 I came to this site to voice my disapproval to the proposed change in the Cover. As usual the media had it inaccurately. Glad to hear no change is planned
    Thank you
    Semper Fi
  • USMC 1961-1965 277 days ago
    @ James Scott
    Read General Amos statement and it clears up nothing.
  • USMC 1961-1965 277 days ago
    The Corps must hear the outrage of Marines and former Marines about changing the cover, The article says it will not happen but the Commandant General Amos only said that "the President did not direct the change now"

    He did not state clearly that it would not change and he also added the word "now" in his comments so combined these 2 components of his statement give us cause to worry that it will happen.

    General Amos please say no change now or in the future !
  • MSgt White 277 days ago
    Very relieved the current style dress cover isn't going away. However, there are some very contradictory statements made in this article. If there was never any desire or intent to change the current style cover then why go to the extent of photographing male Marines wearing the "Dan Daly style" cover then create and post a survey for opinions? If it's not broke then why are we trying to fix it? It would be nice to see the Marine Corps Uniform Board direct its efforts to uniform items that might benefit their attention. Such as Marine Corps PT gear that exhibits a sense of pride and organizational color which our current green on green is lacking. Or a desert GORETEX jacket and trousers to be worn with the desert MARPAT utility uniform so Marines would not have to mix/match desert and woodland patterns.
  • FP Guarino 277 days ago
    Thank you SO much for posting this. I still don't like Obama but at least it's one thing I can't blame him for.
  • George L. Griggs 277 days ago
    As a former Marine, with four (4) generations before me, and one (1) after, and as a concerned taxpayer, I strenuously object to changing the cover. Just look at the picture, Gentlemen. The WM looks fine, but the Male does not. He looks effeminate. And then, adding insult to injury, you have the effrontery to tell us this ridiculous change is going to cost $8-million! Someone needs to re-think this decision.
    Semper Fi,
    Sgt. Griggs, George L.
  • Ken McPherson 277 days ago
    Why photograph a male Marine in a female Marine uniform item? Have male Marines also been photographed in uniform skirts when changes were anticipated.
  • Dave 277 days ago
    Bullsh*t! Why would you offer photos of a male Marine wearing the proposed women's cover and solict male Marines input on the photo if it were not under consideration. Tired of all the aS* covering after the fact coming out of our government. It's embarrassing.....
    Semper Fi
  • Ken McPherson 277 days ago
    Why photograph a male Marine in a female Marine uniform item? Have male Marines also been photographed in uniform skirts when changes were anticipated.
  • Dave 277 days ago
    Bullsh*t! Why would you offer photos of a male Marine wearing the proposed women's cover and solict male Marines input on the photo if it were not under consideration. Tired of all the aS* covering after the fact coming out of our government. It's embarrassing.....
    Semper Fi
  • Lcdr Charlie Waugh, Naval Aviator 277 days ago
    I recommend you release a news release explaining yourselves to the military and former military regarding U.S. Marine covers. As a retired Naval Aviator I am appalled to think a military organization such as the U.S. Marines would even consider changing the Marine cover. If a vendor went out of business then that should have been your news release, not that the Marine Corps is considering changing the cover. If the media made this up, then sue them.

    Sincerely,

    Charles B. Waugh
    Lcdr USNR-R
  • Bill Conforte 277 days ago
    Thank God. Why don't non Marines stay out our business!!!
  • jmac 277 days ago
    Yea its not gonna change NOW! Because everyone said it sucked. Nice cya job there guys.
  • Tweety 277 days ago
    Do NOT change the Marine Corps cover for men OR women. It's been a long standing tradition and there is no need for a change. As the saying goes "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
  • cpl. wes 1968-70 277 days ago
    This president has no respect for the corps or any of the services. The only time he shows up to pay respect to the dead is when he it benefits his legacy. Troops are dying at a faster rate then before he was elected and it is backpage news and he continues to golf and run this country into the ground
  • Mairi Campbell 277 days ago
    Thank goodess! There is no reason to mess with perfection. Semper Fi!
  • CWO4 Dennis J. Litalien USMC, (Retired) 277 days ago
    Thank God this was just scuttlebutt!
    Semper Fi
  • CWO4 Dennis J. Litalien USMC, (Retired) 277 days ago
    Thank God this isn't true. Saw a report on TV this morning and thought I must be dreaming.
    Semper Fi
  • John Jimenez 277 days ago
    I am glad to hear the cover is not going to change. The media has run wild over this issue and the cost for the design. Please make sure the media understands this is not going to happen.

    Also, when I was on active duty, I remember paying for all of my uniforms. Is that still the case? If so, how come it is not clear in the media? I still take great pride in telling my friends I had to pay for my uniforms. I tell them, it made me appreciate them more. I still have them.

    If any uniform were to change, I would say we need to change our Alpha service uniform. Bring back the style that was worn in WWI. Get rid of the necktie. Many of us in business no longer wear a necktie to work. We only wear a jacket and slacks.

    Of course our Dress Blue can never change.
  • ervin kroeker 277 days ago
    Leave well enough alone. If it work why mess it up. All we need is more changers,why not ask the men and women if the want a change and not take it on yourself that you know what is better for our fighting men and women
  • george m burke 1867763 277 days ago
    HQMC needs to MAKE SURE that the idiot in the white house and/or his "minions" understand that WE DO NOT need nor require their input into anything that has to do with the US Marines, most are nothing more than civilians (draft dodgers) and have NO business "screwing" with our uniforms, history, track record or anything else connected with the Marine Corps, they are neither qualified nor do they possess the intestinal fortitude to offer their input, if they did, they might realize that we do not wear "hats" we wear covers.

    gmbxusmc@live.com
    1868763
  • james a scott 277 days ago
    I'm glad CMC Gen. Amos has cleared the air on possible changes to the cover for the dress blues uniform. As a member of the Marine Corps family, I thought OMG old Chesty Puller must be rolling over in his grave. SEMPER FI. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
  • Jessica 277 days ago
    Someone needs to inform the Today show of this.....
  • John H. Anderson, MGySGT, Retired 277 days ago
    Dont change the male Marine dress cover. Leave well enough alone.

    Sound off to the board and other don't change our covers.

    Someone post the email address for Col. Todd S. Desgrosseilliers, Marine Corps Uniform Board president.

    Semper Fi
  • yeahok 277 days ago
    I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this one. Maybe someone will post some of the active duty survey questions and prove me wrong but to me it seems like this got far more backlash than anticipated. Now all the people responsible for this (Amos im lookin at you) are saying that they never intended it for males. Yeah ok
  • james a scott 277 days ago
    I'm glad CMC Gen. Amos has cleared the air on possible changes to the cover for the dress blues uniform. As a member of the Marine Corps family, I thought OMG old Chesty Puller must be rolling over in his grave. SEMPER FI. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
  • Elizabeth Smith 277 days ago
    DO NOT CHANGE TO CURRENT MAIL COVER!! I have been proud of pictures of my former husband in his dress blues. The Marine Corp dress uniform is the best looking of all the services.
  • A. T. Henry 277 days ago
    I was hunting a place to contact Hq, USMC when this article came up. I am so thankful that male Marines are not going to be so dishonored as the preee indicated.

    A. T. Henry, Cpl USMCR WWII
    Hq 2/29 6th MarDiv
  • Bill Ellis Sgt. E 5 (63-67) 277 days ago
    I'm sure this issue created a lot of feed back and rightly so. Marines are very proud of our Corps and its traditions and the uniform is definitely part of tradition and one of the Corps' best recruiting tools.

    Semper Fi
  • Veronica H. McCoy 277 days ago
    Leave well enough alone.....the current headcovers for both male and female Marines is fine...TRADITION, TRADITION, TRADITION. And certaing the male Marines should NEVER be changed.
  • Judi A Hagthrop 277 days ago
    Good for you as well you shouldn't. Semper Fi and God bless!

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